Editing Talk:Oryx, the Taken King

==Move?==
Should we move this to [[Oryx, the Taken King]] to keep it in line with our other pages? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 21:11, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
*Has it been confirmed that that's his official title? [[User:OmgHAX!|OmgHAX!]] ([[User talk:OmgHAX!|talk]]) 09:06, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
** Mostly, I'm going by [https://www.bungie.net/en/pub/TheTakenKing Bungie.net] [https://www.destinythegame.com/taken-king Destinythegame.com], and the descriptions in the trailers which always describe him as "Oryx, the Taken King". Does that qualify? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 15:07, 7 August 2015 (EDT)

:::Better to wait. Bungie might do something unexpected and make his full name "Oryx, King of the Taken". We'll know for sure as soon as someone beats the new raid and posts video on YouTube. [[User:MorningWalker|MorningWalker]] ([[User talk:MorningWalker|talk]]) 15:21, 7 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Or when the database gets updated and we can see his grimoire card. [[User:OmgHAX!|OmgHAX!]] ([[User talk:OmgHAX!|talk]]) 15:32, 7 August 2015 (EDT)

== Powers/Abilities ==

Hello, I am just not what the descriptions of some of Oryx's abilities are such as '''''Doxology''''' and '''''Banish to Darkness Dimension''''', can someone explain when and how he uses it?--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 22:18, 27 September 2015 (EDT)

:They're both abilities Oryx uses in King's Fall. "Doxology" is a team-wipe attack triggered by not stunning Oryx by detontating the spheres dropped by Light-Eater Ogres (if I remember correctly), while "Banish to Darkness Dimension" pulls a player into an isolated area where an enemy called Shade of Oryx must be killed in order to escape. [[User:MorningWalker|MorningWalker]] ([[User talk:MorningWalker|talk]]) 22:44, 27 September 2015 (EDT)

Thank you MorningWalker.--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Can someone enlighten me as to what the ability "'''King's Decree'''" is?--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 00:12, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

:Check the "Gameplay" section of the article. That section should have descriptions of known enemy abilities and when they are encountered. [[User:MorningWalker|MorningWalker]] ([[User talk:MorningWalker|talk]]) 15:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT)


Thank you MorningWalker--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 22:47, 27 November 2015 (EST)

== Death of Oryx and Extinction of the Hive and Taken ==

So Oryx, the Taken King is now dead, does this mean without him the [[Hive]] and [[Taken]] are finally extinct? [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 18:55, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

:Unfortunately for the Guardians, no. The Taken can hang around indefinitely until someone kills them all, so any Taken that Oryx made before he died are still an active threat. The Hive aren't created by Oryx like the Taken, they're living organisms that can grow and reproduce on their own, so while Oryx's death deprives them of leadership and direction, they are far from in danger of going extinct. Even if we kill all the Hive in the Solar System, Oryx's sisters and their armies are still out in the universe and might show up on our doorstep one day. [[User:MorningWalker|MorningWalker]] ([[User talk:MorningWalker|talk]]) 21:58, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

:Don't forget the five [[Worm]] gods, [[Akka]], [[Eir]], [[Ur]], [[Xol]], and [[Yul]] they're the creators of the Hive and could show up too one day! [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 23:07, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

:Nope. Just because the God-king of the Hive is killed doesn't mean that the Hive and Taken are done for. With the April Update landing today, a new Taken Knight named Malok rises to power and occupies Oryx's vacant throne. If you kill Malok, then the Taken should probably die down, but the Hive still remain a threat. [[User: Primus Draug'oth|Primus Draug'oth]] ([[User talk:Primus Draug'oth|talk]]) 16:52, 12 April 2016 (EST)

== The Destruction of the Solar System Hive ==

So with [[Oryx, the Taken King]] assassinated, does this mean all of the Solar System's Hive will all be consumed by the [[Worms]] and be destroyed? 
[[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 19:03, 08 December 2015 (EDT)
:Why would their Worms consume them? Have they failed in their tithes of death? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 15:58, 9 December 2015 (EST)

:Considering that all of the Hive in the Solar System must bring all their tithes to Oryx, and eventually he brings them to all the Worms. So yes, without him, all of Oryx's spawn would be doomed because they don't have enough tithes of death with Oryx not around which means all of the Worm Gods would consume them from within except of course for Savathun and Xivu Arath's Hive spawn still outside of the Solar System. -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 16:07, 08 December 2015 (EDT)
:Oryx never directed any of the death he received to the Worm Gods. The tithes were for Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath's Worms, not the Worm Gods themselves. The individual Hive just need to feed their worms enough to not be consumed. Oryx's death in no way impacts this. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 16:53, 9 December 2015 (EST)
:Oh now I see! Most of the Hive species feed their internal worms, but not the Worm Gods themselves, thank you for clarifying I got confused! -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 17:53, 08 December 2015 (EDT)

== Renaming Oryx ==
Is God-King of the Hive a appropriate name for Oryx or King of the Hive that sounds more in point and makes sense, but not confusing? -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 16:21, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Is Oryx Hive or Taken ==

I was just wondering if Oryx is either Hive or really Taken your thoughts??? -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 15:36, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

:Oryx is Hive. [[User:MorningWalker|MorningWalker]] ([[User talk:MorningWalker|talk]]) 18:12, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

== Crota overthrowing his father Oryx ==
I wonder if Crota attempted to overthrow his father for his exile by angrily cutting Oryx's tribute system, destroying the Shrine of Oryx, and Crota forming a rebellion against his father by declaring to the Hive he be the new Hive king, what would Oryx do then? -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 13:37, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:It is written in the Books of Sorrow that "Crota battled through history, becoming a legendary demon. In his early centuries he often spared a few victims to hear oaths and protests against his father. Later, he came to understand Oryx, and he made temples and monuments wherever he went." [[Grimoire/Enemies/Books_of_Sorrow#XL:_An_Emperor_For_All_Outcomes|An Emperor For All Outcomes]]. So, no, he did not rebel. [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 13:41, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:But I'm thinking in an alternate reality of what if Crota did rebel against his father? -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 13:37, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:If that is the case, as Crota is weaker than his father by orders of magnitude he would be swiftly defeated, unless his siblings the Deathsingers and perhaps Nokris (whomever they are, be they mother, sister, or brother) join forces, then Oryx will have a problem. But then it wouldn't be rebellion as we would know it, for the Hive often kill one another "for this war is love". Oryx would view it as the greatest example of love his children could show him. This doesn't explain why Alak-Hul was imprisoned, however. Maybe it is different somewhat, in Alak-Hul's place. [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 13:50, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

I could imagine the Worm Gods like Eir view Oryx as a weakling and proclaming Crota as a new Hive king which would absolutely disappoint Oryx. -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 13:53, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:And why would the Worm Gods do that? Oryx is the most powerful of their servants, surpassing his sisters and all of his spawn. Through the killing-logic he feeds them their tithe of Light and has fulfilled his nature as the ultimate explorer-warrior king. He has even killed one of the Gods by taking what he needed instead of asking for it. That, in the eyes of the Worm Gods, is the ultimate arbiter of the Worm Gods' favor. So unless Crota and/or his siblings decided to abandon their father and "grow apart" from him like his sisters did, and they stumbled upon the Traveler in its weakened state, and killed it; then decided ''not'' to tithe all of that Light to Oryx, but instead keep it, then the Worm Gods would be interested. For remember, the Gods had tasked Oryx and his sisters to kill everything of the Sky, including the Traveler. If Crota and/or his siblings did that, then they'd be considered.

:But remember, Oryx's sisters are still out there, and with Oryx's ultimate death, they'd be the next in line as the most powerful, perhaps Xivu Arath because she's the Hive God of War. So even if in this alternate reality Crota and/or his siblings decided to rebel, they would have to have a very good reason and motivation in order to get the Worm Gods' attention, perhaps by showing enough the sword-logic to go into the Deep, where before only Oryx had trod, and met with the Worm Gods themselves. [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 14:00, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:Wow that's a very interesting theory! -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 14:18, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

: *shrugs* Going off of what you've proposed and what I know of the Hive lore. [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 14:31, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:I wonder if Crota did destroy the Traveler, what would Oryx do next with his son would he bring him back to the Dreadnaught or something? -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 14:18, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

:I think that would be the case, yes. [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 15:22, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

== Profile Picture == 

Would it be okay if the King's Fall Oryx be his profile picture while Regicide Oryx be in the gallery instead? -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 17:44, 10 December 2016 (EDT)

:If you mean the [[Grimoire/Activities/Raids|Kings Fall]] Grimoire card, then I think not. His Profile picture is supposed to serve as the embodiment of the character in question, so it has to be the best image we have. Now if you can find a vector, or full body image of him, that would be nice. But otherwise, I think the current picture is okay as is.[[File:Destiny-vex.jpg|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 18:00, 10 December 2016 (EST)

:There, I changed the image for now to something more along the lines of what I mean. But if you happen to find a better image, then feel free to change it.[[File:Destiny-vex.jpg|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 18:12, 10 December 2016 (EST)

::I actually don't like it, I think the King's Fall grimoire picture fits him perfectly because his regicide form is just a regular form, but his true form is the King's Fall Oryx. -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 18:35, 10 December 2016 (EDT)

:::Well, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, but you asked for advice and I told you what I thought. However all opinions aside, the fact is that a disorientating image such as the one you suggested will not help new comers very much when they come looking to see what oryx is. That image is better left for the gallery.[[File:Destiny-vex.jpg|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 18:39, 10 December 2016 (EST)

:::Is there any place to find a perfect King's Fall version of him there has to be! -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 18:41, 10 December 2016 (EDT)

::::Perhaps they have one online somewhere. But you might have to go through the cutscenes for a screen shot to get what you are looking for.[[File:Destiny-vex.jpg|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 18:43, 10 December 2016 (EST)

::::Then explain to be why the Crota raid form is his profile picture?! Every enemy leader must have a raid form picture!!! -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 18:48, 10 December 2016 (EDT)

:::::Calm down. There is no need to get excited. The reason the image is of the raid is because it serves the purpose I mentioned above and showcases the character to those who want to see who Crota is. If you want to see who Master Chief is, you want to see a full physical profile, not a battle scene with him in it. The point is that a profile picture showcases the character to those who want a clear image in their minds of who he is. The Regicide picture can be confusing to people who are new to destiny. if you want, you can put the Regicide image in the gallery with a caption stating it is his true form.[[File:Destiny-vex.jpg|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 18:53, 10 December 2016 (EST)

::::::Also, please do not keep changing the picture. When you find one that fits the requirements you may change it. Until then, you have no legitimate reason to change it other than your own opinion.[[File:Destiny-vex.jpg|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 18:56, 10 December 2016 (EST)

:::::Okay fine -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 18:56, 10 December 2016 (EDT)

I personally like using the Grimoire images for character profiles unless they're a named NPC with no Grimoire card attached. The Oryx Rebuked or Oryx Defeated cards work just fine as an image, though the Oryx Rebuked is the best of the two for a character profile image. The render, while fine, just doesn't cut it and can be moved to the Gallery instead. Also, Oryx's Raid form only appears once and that is in the Raid while his smaller form is more common as it appears not only in [[Regicide]] but also the various cutscenes of TTK. --{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 22:18, 10 December 2016 (EST)

:Very well. I like that one better than the Oryx Defeated card.

I'm gonna say this for the last time, while I do agree that the Oryx Rebuked card fits him well, the only problem is that it's not his true form. Much like Crota or any raid boss that would suit the character, the Oryx Defeated or King's Fall Oryx would actually depict him better due to the fact that's his true form. But if you want me to leave the King's Fall Oryx in the gallery, that's fine by me. I'm just suggesting my solution would be better. Oh Yeah Happy Holidays! -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 23:34, 25 December 2016 (EDT)

:I understand where you are coming from, I really do. Its just that although the image is not a problem for Destiny fans such as you and I, newcomers looking to see who the three eyed, two horned, God-King Oryx is, the image on our profile page is going to be the one that sticks with them whenever they picture him and in the end, a silhouette is not going to help them any in connecting with the guy in all of the marketing material. Especially if they are not familiar with the lore or have not played the raid. With that being said, you are more than welcome to put it in his biography under a section about his Ascendant Form or in the gallery. But ultimately our goal must be to have a broad accessibility for as many people as possible, and regardless of our personal preferences, that must come first. I am genuinely happy to see you here on less hostile terms, welcome Back Titan66 and Merry Christmas!