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==Unit Names==
So, in the recent mail sack, should we take the hive related statments at face value or are they zomborgs? Always use the DMR. '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 105%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 13:22, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
So, in the recent mail sack, should we take the hive related statments at face value or are they zomborgs? Always use the DMR. '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 105%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 13:22, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
So do you guys think its safe to assume this is a Wizard? [[User:Ace2891|Ace2891]] ([[User talk:Ace2891|talk]]) 19:19, 8 December 2013 (EST)
So do you guys think its safe to assume this is a Wizard? [[User:Ace2891|Ace2891]] ([[User talk:Ace2891|talk]]) 19:19, 8 December 2013 (EST)
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:In as much as to say "possible image of a wizard" in the caption and don't rely on the image itself for info in the article.--[[User:Hawki|Hawki]] ([[User talk:Hawki|talk]]) 19:37, 8 December 2013 (EST)
:In as much as to say "possible image of a wizard" in the caption and don't rely on the image itself for info in the article.--[[User:Hawki|Hawki]] ([[User talk:Hawki|talk]]) 19:37, 8 December 2013 (EST)


As I watched the Alpha playthroughs, I think it will be better to replace 'Trooper' to 'Acolyte'. {{unsigned|The primodial}}
As I watched the Alpha playthroughs, I think it will be better to replace 'Trooper' to 'Acolyte'.


== Do the Hive have an 'alphabet'? ==
== Do the Hive have an 'alphabet'? ==
The runes used on both the Temple of Crota door locks and the locked door leading further into the Hellmouth during the Summoning Pits are the same. However, during Chamber of Night there are plenty more runes on the object your Ghost scans after the boss battle with Telthor, Unborn. Aside from those two instances I've yet to see more examples, but it's totally possible I've overlooked something somewhere. Is there any semblance of an 'alphabet' or symbol guide yet? {{User:Atruum_Veritas/sig}} 02:47, 29 September 2014 (EDT)
The runes used on both the Temple of Crota door locks and the locked door leading further into the Hellmouth during the Summoning Pits are the same. However, during Chamber of Night there are plenty more runes on the object your Ghost scans after the boss battle with Telthor, Unborn. Aside from those two instances I've yet to see more examples, but it's totally possible I've overlooked something somewhere. Is there any semblance of an 'alphabet' or symbol guide yet? {{User:Atruum_Veritas/sig}} 02:47, 29 September 2014 (EDT)


== The Destruction of the Solar System Hive ==
== The Destruction of the Solar System Hive ==
So with [[Oryx, the Taken King]] assassinated, does this mean all of the Sol System's Hive will all be consumed by the [[Worms]] and be destroyed?    [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 15:16, 09 December 2015 (EDT)
So with [[Oryx, the Taken King]] assassinated, does this mean all of the Sol System's Hive will all be consumed by the [[Worms]] and be destroyed?    [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 15:16, 09 December 2015 (EDT)


== Killing Logic? ==
== Killing Logic? ==
I have heard in some lore or someone from Bungie that there is another Hive logic besides the Sword Logic called the Killing Logic, I heard that it is capable of making Ascendent Hive what ever they kill superior to them. Is that true, and if it is, is there more to it than that?--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 13:05, 6 March 2016 (EST)
I have heard in some lore or someone from Bungie that there is another Hive logic besides the Sword Logic called the Killing Logic, I heard that it is capable of making Ascendent Hive what ever they kill superior to them. Is that true, and if it is, is there more to it than that?--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 13:05, 6 March 2016 (EST)


-Thehouseofwinter: The sword logic is the equivalent of the killing logic as it is the defining law of Oryx and possibly Crota's ascendant realm. It's base is this.  When you kill, you are made stronger as you are proving your strength and determination to exist. It was utilized by Vex to co opt the power of the hive ascendant realm during the Attack on Oryx.
-Thehouseofwinter: The sword logic is the equivalent of the killing logic as it is the defining law of Oryx and possibly Crota's ascendant realm. It's base is this.  When you kill, you are made stronger as you are proving your strength and determination to exist. It was utilized by Vex to co opt the power of the hive ascendant realm during the Attack on Oryx.
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Thanks.--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 19:11, 10 March 2016 (EST)
Thanks.--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 19:11, 10 March 2016 (EST)


It's a subversion of the overall Sword-Logic, as TheHouseofWinter has said. {{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 14:38, 29 November 2016 (EST)
== The Hive have a ranking system? ==


== The Hive have a ranking system? ==
Where does it say that Hive have lieutenants or generals? They have regular Hive and Ascendant Hive, they have no ranking system. [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 14:13, 29 November 2016 (EDT)
Where does it say that Hive have lieutenants or generals? They have regular Hive and Ascendant Hive, they have no ranking system. [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 14:13, 29 November 2016 (EDT)
:It's not so much a rank as it is a description of what they do. Here's the definition of a lieutenant:
:*a deputy or substitute acting for a superior.
:**''he accepted his top lieutenant’s resignation with deep regret''
:Thus, the Hive leadership have lieutenants. Plus, the Taken in [[World Event]]s are called lieutenants. {{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 14:16, 29 November 2016 (EST)
::What he said. ''@Titan'': Instead of continuously undoing the edit come to the talk page first and ask for the reason.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 14:19, 29 November 2016 (EST)
:::Dante the Ghost, last time you said the Hive don't have lieutenants or generals only Ascendant Hive? Please clarify so I can understand more about the Hive hierarchy.  [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 14:22, 29 November 2016 (EDT)
::::In this case the use of the word indicates a substitute or deputy, not addressing something like ''General Eisenhower''.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 14:28, 29 November 2016 (EST)
:::::Look, I just gave you the definition of lieutenant and why they're called that and yet it is not a ranking system. Want the full definition instead? [https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lieutenant Here it is]: the Hive have no general miliary ranks because they have none; lieutenant is a general description of ''what they do'', not as an actual military rank. {{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 14:26, 29 November 2016 (EST)
:::::Dante is correct. The word lieutenant is not a rank though it is used in the army as such. It is merely a word denoting a status of leadership within a hierarchy. In the case of the Hive, it simply means someone who acts or leads in the place of another, or for another. Further, the quote from Eris Morn in [[Grimoire/Activities/Strikes#Will_of_Crota|this]] Grimoire Card proves our point. if the Hive have no Hierarchy, how can they have "generals"? {{User:Arcmind/Sig}} 14:33, 29 November 2016 (EST)
== Hive and Life and Death ==
I heard somewhere iirc, that the Hive are existing either between or outside life and death, I cannot seem to find it though, can someone eithe please tell me where to find it or tell me if I misheard this piece of info.--[[User:CNBA3|CNBA3]] ([[User talk:CNBA3|talk]]) 10:09, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
== Do the following count as Hive-themed Guardian Weapons? ==
1. [[Crown of Sorrow]] Raid weapons and [[Mindbender's Ambition]] with the common factor being they have Hive runes etched onto their casing. (Runes were confirmed to containing Hive Magic in
''[[Season of the Witch]]'')
2. [[Moon]] Destination weapons from [[Shadowkeep]] and seasonal weapons from [[Season of the Haunted]] and [[Season of the Witch]] having been crafted using Hive magic like the [[Cryptoglyph]] by [[Eris Morn]] herself.
[[User:Tindalos the Hounded Mind|Tindalos the Hounded Mind]] ([[User talk:Tindalos the Hounded Mind|talk]]) 11:58, April 23, 2024 (EDT)
== Are the Hive a Race or Species? ==
They were originally known as Krill prior to their Worm parasitism. [[User:Didactic Mind|Kuato, Didactic Mind]] 17:48, September 16, 2024 (EDT)
The Hive are the Krill, it’s nothing like the Fallen turning into Scorn or even the Taken. Others can be turned into Hive but can also be reversed, like Eris. The Hive themselves are not to be considered a race/subspecies, or even vice versa, especially since it’s going by the logic of what’s seen on the species page. {{User:TheTrueSorrowMaker/Sig}} 17:57, September 16, 2024 (EDT)
What about non-Hive Krill outliers like the [[Osmium King]] or [[Taox]] or even [[Helium Drinkers]]? How could we differ between the Hive and the Krill when they exist retroactively? [[User:Didactic Mind|Kuato, Didactic Mind]] 18:15, September 16, 2024 (EDT)
Any remaining Krill would be dead or turned into Hive. And that is exactly why Krill is another name for the Hive, why Krill links to the Hive page, and why it is listed under other names for the Hive. Dude, whatever you’re trying to start, just don’t. {{User:TheTrueSorrowMaker/Sig}} 18:25, September 16, 2024 (EDT)
== Hive Instruments ==
I was curious on as to whether or not there are Hive/Krill musical instruments that are ever mentioned in the lore [[Special:Contributions/81.103.87.201|81.103.87.201]] 11:09, September 19, 2024 (EDT)
None that I have heard about, unfortunately. --{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 12:41, September 19, 2024 (EDT)

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