Editing Talk:Fallen

== Cooperating with the Vex? ==

What's the source on this? As far as I know, the Vex operate on their own, without outside help, and I doubt the Fallen would try cooperating or communicating with anyone, much less the all-consuming race of machines razing their potential pillaging sites.  - Guest - 14:07, 5 November 2014 (CT)

== Unknown Fallen Unit? ==
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You can see a monitor-like thing from the Halo series near the back of the far-left Fallen. Monitor or something else? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 20:24, 25 May 2013 (EDT)


Where should we put the Shank on this page? I was sorta thinking weapons but it also seems like equipment :? '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 105%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 07:07, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

== Fallen Alphabet ==

A number of people, myself included, have spotted several examples of Fallen writing showing up, both on BNet and on T-Shirts at various public venues where Bungie has appeared, such as E3. Several members of DBO had gotten together on their forum & pulled these examples together from their various disparate sources in an effort to assemble a working Fallen alphabet. Thus far, they have every character except for "K", "X" and "Z". In an effort to help them out, I took those assembled examples & consolidated them into a single image for reference, including several noted letter combinations. Because I think so highly of the work you all do here, in terms of both diligence & thoroughness, I want to invite you all to feel free to modify and add to the image as more letters/combinations are released by Bungie. Like this wiki, my image is a work in progress & I feel it only proper that it be open-source, which is why I have attempted to put it together as simply as I can, with little to no adornment{{User:DJenser/sig}} 13:13, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

== Wolf rebel? ==

I'd like to see the source on Elyksis, Wolf Rebel. I think it confirms some of my suspicions on who the house of wolves are, but I want to see it myself. [[User:OmgHAX!|OmgHAX!]] ([[User talk:OmgHAX!|talk]]) 17:20, 3 September 2014 (EDT)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs32F_mm4wM] Here. As you can see, his armor color is green, which is House of Exile`s color. I have rough theory that the House of Exile is consist of the members who are banished from each houses. Well, just a theory. [[User:The primodial|The primodial]] 4 September 2014

== Shouldn't the Fallen Walker fall under the "Robots" Category? ==

As much as I'd prefer a different/better word than 'robot' for a Servitor... I don't believe Fallen Walkers have drivers/pilots. They appear to be entirely automated. They seem to fit the definition of 'robot' - a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer - more-so than 'vehicle'. --{{User:Atruum_Veritas/sig}} 20:46, 28 September 2014 (EDT)

: "[...] Though their insect-like design gives them an eerie, almost lifelike quality, these heavily-armored monstrosities are purely robotic. [...]" - Walker Grimoire Card. Further evidence that Fallen Walkers whould be recognized under 'Robots' instead of 'Vehicles'. --{{User:Atruum_Veritas/sig}} 02:06, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

==About "Kaliks Minor"==

The "ghost" Servitors in the Skolas boss fight are named "Kaliks Minor." However, I'm unclear on where that information should be placed. Would they be Named Individuals on the Fallen page here, or would they be listed on [[Minor Fallen Characters]] as they have no Grimoire card and no notable inforamtion tied to them outside being a fight mechanic, like the Archon Servants - except Archon Servants are listed as a variant of Dregs on the Fallen page.  So are they a Servitor variant? At the end of the day, either Archon Servants should be on the Minor Fallen page with Kaliks Minor (likely); Kaliks Minor should be a Servitor Variant (also likely); or both Servants and Kaliks Minor should be Named Individuals (doubtful). -- {{User:Atruum_Veritas/sig}} 22:52, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

== House of Scar ==

This may be pure conjecture, but evidence in the Grimoire suggests the existence of a House of Scar. The Grimoire Card for [[Variks]] mentions the phrase "Keep Scar from Winter" implies Scar is a Fallen house. Furthermore, [[Taniks, the Scarred One]] carries the insignia of an unknown House, and his name would imply he belonged to this house. I don't know whether or not we would include something like this under a "conjecture" heading since there is no explicit evidence for a House of Scar, but I think mentioning the grimoire alone might warrant inclusion. [[User:OmgHAX!|OmgHAX!]] ([[User talk:OmgHAX!|talk]]) 14:44, 30 June 2015 (EDT)-

== Name Info ==
As seen while reading and looking at different characters that are fallen, it is quite common to see them all end in a 'S' or 'K'. Any exceptions haven't been found or told of yet. 

===Non-Hostile Fallen Named Individuals?===

Other than Variks the Loyal of the House of Judgment, which other minor/major named Fallen character(s) is non-hostile? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]) 18:14, 2 October 2016 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:A glitched Major Vandal that appears in [[Campus 9]] of the [[Echo Chamber]]; other than that, no other. [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 18:45, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Fallen alliance ==

There will be alliance between vex and fallen in future dlc [[User:Nittin Das|Nittin Das]] ([[User talk:Nittin Das|talk]]) 15:53, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

Thre can be alliance between fallen and vex in future did
 [[User:Nittin Das|Nittin Das]] ([[User talk:Nittin Das|talk]]) 15:58, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

Please use [[Forum:General Discussion]] for your theories. --{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} [[User:Dante the Ghost|Dante the Ghost]] ([[User talk:Dante the Ghost|talk]]) 17:21, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

== Old Crews ==

I was curious why there isn't a faction page for the Old Crews from [[Season of Plunder]]. [[Mithrax]] have just namedropped them in [[The Hollow, Part II]] in [[The Final Shape]]. Kuato, Didactic Mind 09:26, August 13, 2024 (EDT)

:Probably because the Cabal Deserters have had far more relevance to Destiny 2 than a few Fallen pirates of yore. That’s why. There’s nothing saying they can’t be recorded anywhere, but as far as factions go they are notable as [[Symmetry]], something to be namedropped without much significance to the present. —{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 16:44, August 13, 2024 (EDT)

:But they’re at least more relevant than the [[House of Scar]]. they’re a wiki-made faction with no major lore tie-ins outside of Variks’ grimoire entry in the Destiny franchise. Kuato, Didactic Mind 17:17, August 13, 2024 (EDT)

:'''Let me''' make something eminently clear to you.

:Rules-lawyering will not help your case. You are comparing apples to oranges. Here is example number one.
# [[House of Scar]] was made on September 9th, 2015
# [[The Taken King]] DLC was released six days later

:Example number two.
# [[Destiny 2]] is released on September 6th, 2017
# The Old Crews are mentioned in [[Season of Plunder]], released between August 23rd to December 6th, 2022

:What do we draw from these two examples? In the first example, Destiny had been going through a lore-and-gameplay drought. The base Destiny game is underwhelming and empty, full of "I can't even explain why I can't even explain"; The Dark Below added a raid and little much else; House of Wolves added an arena and a new major enemy faction to the game, and little else. Destinypedia ''literally'' had nothing better to do other than make pages for every single scrap of anything lore relevant we could find, and that was while The Taken King expansion was about to drop, the first major overhaul of the entire Destiny game experience. 

:In the second example, we have a glut of Destiny content. There's so much being released and dropped that we focus on the major stuff first and leave the little stuff for either later or for someone obsessed with it to deal with it. We are also under the impression that Bungie largely knows what they are doing, or at the very least have their own story bible to consult rather than trust a fan-made wiki. This is before Bungie went ahead and canonized [[Eramis, Kell of Darkness]] (my fanfic creation) rather than [[Veekris, the Shipstealer]] because I misheard Variks consistently for an entire year while I was able to play Destiny: The Taken King. And then Bungie has gone and canonized our placeholder title [[Sol Collective]] for a major Vex faction instead of creating their own. 

:So now we are under a bit of a bind -- do we continue to make pages for every scattered lore tidbit that has been namedropped over the years while dealing with the flood of content that Bungie keeps pouring out, or do we start being selective about what pages we create and which places to put information at, since even Bungie is looking at us as their unofficial lore bible?

:TL;DR -- old content like [[House of Scar]] was made during a time when Destiny was so dry of content we looked for anything even remotely catalogue-worthy to record. The Old Crews have been name-dropped during a time when Destiny is under a veritable flood of newly released content, and everyone's time and energy is spent keeping up with it. That fact that Bungie is also looking at us complicates things considerably. Who knows what other fanfic they might canonize.

:House of Scar, at the very least, is already there, and if Bungie decides "hey let's use this one name our lore writer put in Variks, The Loyal's Grimoire card" that is their prerogative. The Old Crews, by extension, are "newer" content and are not as important to log as a page to languish after being made. The Old Crews ''will'' be put in, eventually; put them under the main [[Fallen]] page if you think they need to go there.

:As for House of Scar, thanks for alerting me that the page needs some maintenance. --{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 18:03, August 13, 2024 (EDT)