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{{Quote|Death is only and forever an ending. All else is sacrilege.|Kuldax<ref name="Heretic"/>}} | {{Quote|Death is only and forever an ending. All else is sacrilege.|Kuldax<ref name="Heretic"/>}} | ||
[[Resurrection]], in general, is seen as heretical by the Hive who follow the Sword Logic. To the Hive, death is the principle of the Sword Logic to attaining apotheosis; to take and grow stronger after defeating an opponent. If the slain were resurrected, it would be contradicting the logic it violated. As such, Nokris, who learned the secrets of necromancy from Xol, was branded a heretic, exiled from his kind and condemned to obscurity as his father removed nearly all traces of his name.<ref>'''Bungie (2018/8/5)''', ''[[Destiny 2]]: [[Warmind (expansion)|Warmind]] - Item Description: [[Wormgod Caress]]''</ref><ref name="VB"/> | [[Resurrection]], in general, is seen as heretical by the Hive who follow the Sword Logic. To the Hive, death is the principle of the Sword Logic to attaining apotheosis; to take and grow stronger after defeating an opponent. If the slain were resurrected, it would be contradicting the logic it violated. As such, Nokris, who learned the secrets of necromancy from Xol, was branded a heretic, exiled from his kind and condemned to obscurity as his father removed nearly all traces of his name.<ref>'''Bungie (2018/8/5)''', ''[[Destiny 2]]: [[Warmind (expansion)|Warmind]] - Item Description: [[Wormgod Caress]]''</ref><ref name="VB"/> | ||
The rules of death are somewhat different to the Hive than what they are to humans. This is most notably exemplified by the concept of Ascendance: those Hive individuals who have grown powerful enough through the Sword Logic can move between the physical dimension and the [[Ascendant Plane]] and carve a "throne world" there so that when they are killed in the real world, they retreat to their throne world and can return after a time. Only death occurring in their own throne world is a true, final death in terms of the Hive. It appears that dying in another's throne world is reversible, as illustrated in the Books of Sorrow, where Oryx resurrects his sisters having killed them both within his throne world.<ref name="Carved in Ruin"/> It is likely this was possible because the sisters had already established their own throne worlds.<ref name="The High War" /> Furthermore, the manner in which Oryx brings his sisters back is very particular - he does it by defining their nature through acts of war and cunning. At another point Xivu Arath calls him back from the Deep (where she and Savathûn have trapped him) in a similar manner, through describing him,<ref>'''Bungie (2015/9/15)''', ''[[Destiny]]: [[The Taken King]] | The rules of death are somewhat different to the Hive than what they are to humans. This is most notably exemplified by the concept of Ascendance: those Hive individuals who have grown powerful enough through the Sword Logic can move between the physical dimension and the [[Ascendant Plane]] and carve a "throne world" there so that when they are killed in the real world, they retreat to their throne world and can return after a time. Only death occurring in their own throne world is a true, final death in terms of the Hive. It appears that dying in another's throne world is reversible, as illustrated in the Books of Sorrow, where Oryx resurrects his sisters having killed them both within his throne world.<ref name="Carved in Ruin"/> It is likely this was possible because the sisters had already established their own throne worlds.<ref name="The High War" /> Furthermore, the manner in which Oryx brings his sisters back is very particular - he does it by defining their nature through acts of war and cunning. At another point Xivu Arath calls him back from the Deep (where she and Savathûn have trapped him) in a similar manner, through describing him,<ref>'''Bungie (2015/9/15)''', ''[[Destiny]]: [[The Taken King]], [[Grimoire]]: [[Grimoire:Enemies/Books of Sorrow#XXXV: This Love Is War|XXXV: This Love Is War]]''</ref> and millennia later Savathûn summons Xivu Arath to [[Torobatl]] through an act of "war and blood".<ref name="New Gods"/> Another example of a Hive dying in another's throne world and then coming back is [[Ir Yût, the Deathsinger]]; being one of the bosses of the [[raid]] [[Crota's End]], she dies in [[Oversoul Throne|his throne world]] but can be later seen attending Crota's ritual of passing in the mission [[Last Rites]]. Crota's mate Omnigul is also notable for returning after having been killed by Guardians, but it can be a hint towards her being an Ascendant Hive.{{Citation needed}} | ||
Though most of the Hive pantheon seem to be Ascendant, it is hard to define the exact rules of achieving this status. [[Lore:Inquisition of the Damned|Inquisition of the Damned]] notes that the Daughters of Crota have not reached it, maybe due to the miserable state the [[Hidden Swarm]] had been in ever since Crota's death;{{Citation needed}} [[Hiraks, the Mindbender]] managed to carve out a small throne world thanks to the power murdering [[Cayde-6]] provided him, but his mate [[In Anânh, Brood Queen|In Anânh]] is yet to be seen coming back from beyond the grave.<ref name="Mindbender"/> Savathûn's daughters [[Balwûr]] and [[Dûl Incaru, the Eternal Return|Dûl Incaru]] are noted having some protection from dying (with Balwûr's death being "hidden well", according to Oryx), but there is no information whether her other child [[Malok, Pride of Oryx|Malok]] or Oryx's twin daughters [[Ir Anûk, Deathsinger|Ir Anûk]] and [[Ir Halak, Deathsinger|Ir Halak]], the inventors of death-hiding technique in the first place, had some sort of a throne world or an [[Oversoul]] too.{{Citation needed}} | Though most of the Hive pantheon seem to be Ascendant, it is hard to define the exact rules of achieving this status. [[Lore:Inquisition of the Damned|Inquisition of the Damned]] notes that the Daughters of Crota have not reached it, maybe due to the miserable state the [[Hidden Swarm]] had been in ever since Crota's death;{{Citation needed}} [[Hiraks, the Mindbender]] managed to carve out a small throne world thanks to the power murdering [[Cayde-6]] provided him, but his mate [[In Anânh, Brood Queen|In Anânh]] is yet to be seen coming back from beyond the grave.<ref name="Mindbender"/> Savathûn's daughters [[Balwûr]] and [[Dûl Incaru, the Eternal Return|Dûl Incaru]] are noted having some protection from dying (with Balwûr's death being "hidden well", according to Oryx), but there is no information whether her other child [[Malok, Pride of Oryx|Malok]] or Oryx's twin daughters [[Ir Anûk, Deathsinger|Ir Anûk]] and [[Ir Halak, Deathsinger|Ir Halak]], the inventors of death-hiding technique in the first place, had some sort of a throne world or an [[Oversoul]] too.{{Citation needed}} | ||
